Now i'm through a bad period of my life because all the hopes of finding another boy with my sexual preferences and willing to start a faithful relationship are fading away.

I think most who go into ministry are sincere. But they get caught up in the hype of the business of ministry; it's big multimillion dollar business, Christian music a multibillion dollar business. They justify materialism as blessings. Money is the theme of their theology. Somehow giving tithes for the upkeep of a mega facility is considered giving to the Lord.

The sad FACT is that the Alliance cannot get it's message out to guys like Justin without money. We live in a world where it takes money to do just about anything and I think you all already know that. The BFD and the religious right take in mega-amounts of money every month. That is why they are so outspoken and that is why the world hears their message even if the world doesn't want to hear it. That's also why the BFD and religious right are winning the battle right now. It would not take much for the Alliance to begin winning the battle! All it would take is a few $$ from everyone here per month.

I've read a lot of comments on this site asking how you find a frot brother and where they are at. Truth is they are ALL AROUND YOU because frot is NATURAL to males. Today's males are just too afraid to be NATURAL and they will continue to be afraid until YOU liberate them!

when one has a TESTIMONY as a matter of CONSCIENCE, communists cannot control this.

Male-male intimacy is the epiphany of maleness. Take that away and we can be made androgynous. This is what was done in Soviet Russia--the GOVERNMENT imposed it by MILITARY FORCE. However, people fought back AGAINST THAT!!!!

But, if your SPIRIT is crushed, Men: you have NO FIGHT in you!!! Your SPIRIT is MALE! Your BODY is MALE!! What you have between you when you FROT is DIFFERENT than what is between a male and female for vaginal intercourse. It is NOT the same--it is SOMETHING ELSE!!

If you have an awareness of your MALE SPIRIT and BODY to COMPLIMENT that, no matter how much they try to convince you, you will be STEADFAST in your mind. And, EVEN MILITARY FORCE WON'T WORK!!!!

STOP SCATTERING CHRIST'S FLOCK INSTEAD GATHERING THEM INTO ONE FOLD!!!!!!

This part of the book was my favorite because it is the example of the kind of friendship I seek in life. It is the golden standard, if you will, of the love I would share with another person.

ann an aonachd tha braithreachas - "in Unity is Brotherhood"

The funniest thing about this book, is that it was written by, of all people, a Christian. I think that is a major reason why I liked it so much. I am a Christian and this was sort of a pat on the back that I can be both a Christian and a homosexual FrotBrother! The two are compatable!

Granted, there is no direct mention of a sexual conection between Cruithne and Fidach, but this is not very neccessary; the point is, the two are lovers at least at an emotional/intellectual level.

From early puberty the young man of the warrior caste progressed through the martial arts of the Celt, with the accompaniment of hunting, feasting, and drinking. As a fully-fledged warrior he would support and be supported in battle by a close age group of his own peers, who had been with him throughout his training for manhood. In this way many young men developed a strong man-to-man bond; and Diodorus, Strabo, and Athenaeus all remark that homo-erotic practices were common among the Celts.

Maybe one day what has been traditionally and historically masculine MALE will become so AGAIN. Maybe some day the world will once again come to know and understand that FROT is NOT SODOMY but that it IS NORMAL masculine male behavior!! Maybe one day INTIMACY between males will NOT be looked down upon as "wrong and sinful" but as a BLESSING because it IS a BLESSING! A purely NATURAL and MALE blessing!! And maybe, just maybe, one day someone will found a SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT that supports and advocates all this (God knows we DON'T need another religion!) OR is that what we have here already??

In his above post Bill S. wrote: "Joseph Smith was a frotman (with his brother Hyrum) having lived before there was any concepts of "homosexual" or "gay" Brothers, at this juncture, I would like to chime in with this: at the time Joseph Smith lived (1805-1844) people DIDN'T think in terms of "homosexual" or "gay" There wasn't a "gay" subculture. Men were MEN--PERIOD!!! " That's historically VERY TRUE! In the 1800's Men were MEN period just as Bill states. People did not think, back then, in terms of "gay" or "homosexual" because FROT between MEN was NORMAL MASCULINE MALE BEHAVIOR.

I'm sure this is old news to you. But, that Coontz artlicle, and your response to it about what the Victorian era men with the "fleshy poles" did in the bed reminded of what I had heard about Lincoln a few years ago.

[Bill: Yes. The bit about the "fleshy poles" comes from an early 19th-century letter written by a man who eventually became a senator from South Carolina.

At the time of the letter, though, he was a student writing to his college roommate.

This guy was a contemporary of or slightly older than Lincoln.

And like Lincoln he married and had kids and was a pillar of the establishment.]

Believe me, I'm kind of tired of this "who's gay?" bullshit. Because, like you, I know in my heart that human sexuality lies along a contiuum for all of us. So it feels like we're beating a dead horse. But, I know yours is the job of educating men (and I hope more women) and that it is a neverending job for the forseeable future.

[It's a task we all share.]

I don't remember seeing anything about Lincoln on your site.

[Once again, you can learn a bit about Lincoln and his friend Jack Armstrong -- with pictures -- here.

He certainly isn't perceived as an effeminate man,

[That's right, these men weren't effeminate or in any other way "gay."

Read about Jack Armstrong.

This has nothing to do with 20th century conceptions of "homosexuality."

This is men being men.]

and one has to wonder how effeminate, if at all, his lovers were if indeed one was a Captain David Derickson of his bodyguard. So was Lincoln an analist, or a guy into frot?

[He certainly wouldn't have been doing anal.

And they didn't do oral either.

They would have done Frot and mutual masturbation.

Anal is an artifact of late 20th century gay male culture.

It's not a common practice.

And for most of human history oral has been denigrated also.

Remember, people didn't have soap.

They had no way of staying clean.

It's very easy to communicate parasites via oral sex -- even just penile fellatio.

But more than that it's what Robert keeps saying: Frot is NATURAL to Men.]

It might be helpful to young guys like Justin to see that a great man that they have grown up with in American schools was not so different than themselves in this respect.

[That's right. Lincoln was a Man.]

Since so many men think that their love of men elevates them morally, we might credit this as doing no harm, and indeed enhancing his character. It would be interesting to see how A. Lincoln would have responded to the venality of characters like Haggard who would destroy a Justin.

[Yes -- there were certainly people in the political life of Lincoln's time who were the hypocritical equivalents of Haggard and Foley.

But the word "homosexuality" did not exist.

So the preachers weren't out there railing against it.

They would have talked about Sodom.

But Lincoln wasn't a sodomite -- by any standard.]

I do believe that the general abhorence of all things "gay" does lie in analism and effeminancy.

[Yes -- what I would say is that heterosexualization leads to analism which leads to more heterosexualization.

heterosexualization --> analism --> heterosexualization

There's a feeback loop there just as there is with HIV and anal.

They sustain each other.]

Like I've said I always found beauty and grace in the palpable sexual energy among men, but that was always wiped away by what I considered to be a very ugly act (ironic considering the value the gay community places on aesthetics/maybe it's a compensatory reaction to this practice).

[No, that's overstated and it's a stereotype.

Basically, in years past, some gay men tended to get involved in the arts because people in the arts were more tolerant of "deviance" and "eccentricity."

But the main thing is that we were aware of those men because it was far safer for gay men to be *visible* in those fields.

That's why we think of gay men and antiques or the ballet or whatever.

But at the same time there were a huge number of "gay" bankers and stockbrokers and auto mechanics and factory workers.

It's just that you couldn't see them -- they were closeted and hidden.

Key point: there's NO relationship between same-sex attraction and aesthetics or nurturance or anything else.

These sorts of myths work to the benefit of the forces of heterosexualization and ghettoization -- they assert that gay-identified men are "special" in some way.

They're not.

They're just men.]

I hated the idea of any men I cared about doing this, so I always assumed there was something innately homophobic about me.

[No.

Anal is repellant to any person of good sense.]

However, frot was an epiphany for me because I could see it as something intensely masculine, and something I could see being a positive in the life of any man, including those I love.

[YES!]

It's probably too late for them, but I hope future boys never have to be denied this part of themselves.

[I hope so too.]

Bill S. writes, "Male-male intimacy is the epiphany of maleness." He is right again! During an epiphany one feels a higher sense of something divine and spiritual usually. That IS what two intimate males feel together! That is what 2 frot brothers feel together because frot is MORE than just sex. A psychological and SPIRITUAL connection is established during this epiphany. THAT makes frot MORE than just sex men!!

It seems that for religious people, they condemn what they are, what they practice. They condemn because they feel condemned. They feel God has really rejected them. They talk religious talk, walk religious walk because they're conflicted with their natural selves against unnatural demands of religion. They define holiness as otherworldly, an otherworldliness that requires they cut themselves off from their whole self, that they separate body and mind because "the body is the tool of the devil."

I think such distorted thinking is the type of platform analism and heterosexism thrives upon. The Church has demonized the body, and analsts acknowledge such demonization by infecting the body with fatal diseases. It's like an exorcism. The only way to exorcise a demonized body is to kill the body.

When I think about what Bill posted, that drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and promiscuity (which is physical abuse) characterize the gay community, I hear of a community that has condemned itself. I hear of a community that has mistaken promiscuity for fun and has given themselves to delusion by ignoring the fact that they are killing each other more than is homophobia as they claim. I hear of a community that hates itself just as the religious fundamentalists condemn themselves and just as the heterosexists delude themselves.

We have seen on many of these threads that analists, heterosexists, and religious fundamentalists are similar, if not the same. Each encourages delusion. Each condemns the body, especially the male's body.

Maybe one day what has been traditionally and historically masculine MALE will become so AGAIN. Maybe some day the world will once again come to know and understand that FROT is NOT SODOMY but that it IS NORMAL masculine male behavior!! Maybe one day INTIMACY between males will NOT be looked down upon as "wrong and sinful" but as a BLESSING because it IS a BLESSING! A purely NATURAL and MALE blessing!! And maybe, just maybe, one day someone will found a SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT that supports and advocates all this (God knows we DON'T need another religion!) OR is that what we have here already??